Conversations in Maine



         Exploring Our Nation's Future

       James and Grace Lee Boggs

        Freddy and Lyman Paine

   South End Press

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the various skills involved in book production.

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  Finally, we would like to thank all the people in Detroit for
their part in making the making of this book a process exemplary
of the work relations that we are trying to create in this country.

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March 17, 1978

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Editors' Preface

        TOWARD A NEW MAN            2

 Time Dimensions ? ?.Reform and Revolution- ?.Contradictions ? ?
 Crime and Chaos...Bandwagon Thinking of Radicals...New

 Philosophy...What is Integrity!...From Marx to Lenin to Mao
 to "I Will"...Black Panthers: A National Experience..A Cul-
 tural Revolution

        CHANGINC OURSELVES                 16

1. What Politics Has Been

 The Challenge We Now Face...What Is Politics!...Economics
 and Politics...Politics and Ethics...New Politics!
2. Terming The Vision: The Politician As Artist 27
  What Is Vision?
3. Changing Basic Notions:

   Truth, Equality, Personality, Freedom       34
  2500 Years of Platonism...No Thought Is "Mere"...Equality.?
  Personality...Concepts of Freedom...Smashing Old Idols

 4. Ideas Shape Man's Becoming                              52
  Why Change Ourselves?...Ideas Matter...The Unity of Diver-

 sity...Women...Only in America...Accumulation of Cultural
 Capital...Engaging Others


 I. Turning Point in History                                   80
  Since the Rebellions.. ."Things Fall Apart"...The Technological
  Revolution...Getting Rid of Determinism...Language...The
  Dynamic Role of Man...Man Created the Gods
 2. Man's Continuing Search for Self                           93
  Abstract or Concrete...A Better Way to Live!...Ideas Move
  People...Americans and the War in Vietnam
 3. The Triple Revolution                                    100
 4. The Word "Man"                             102
 5. Confronting Ourselves                                   104
  "Choosing"...For One's Own Sake...Towards a New Work
  Ethic...Why Philosophy!...The Nature of Work...The Welfare
 6. Methods                            116
  Not "Problem Solving~~...Rights versus Roles..."Chiding...
  Self-Developing Movement...Unions Today
 7. A Too Hasty Attempt to Come Up With Answers               123
   The New Duality...Getting Rid of Liberalism
 8. What Do People Really Want!                              130
  Why Are We So Frustrated!...The Questions Women Ask...
  Towards Female Self-Determination...New Self-Concepts__
  Illegitimate Reasons...Philosophy For Everyone...Relating to
  Real People...Whom Do We Approach !...Not Faceless Masses...
  Every Revolution Is Unique...Getting People to Think...We
  Are Not Humpty Dumpty
 9? What Democracy Really Is                                 149
  Not Rights...A Means or Process...Americans and Democ-
  racy...In the American Tradition...Redefining Democracy...
  As American As Apple Pie
 10. Today's Search For Human Identity                          156
  A New World...Towards New Unities...The Need For One-
  ness...Socialism Isn't A "Thing"...Another Way...Why Man/
  Woman Created the Gods...From Necessity to Freedom...
  Importance of Self-Concept...A Review




I. Rejecting Cynicism                174
2. The Search For Community in Music            177
From Yesterday to Tomorrow...Our Unique Freedom to
3. What Is the Human Spirit                                  183
 Literature, History, Politics...The Myth of Equality...Class and
4. Psychic Hunger                                         192
 Redefining Revolution...When Are People Free?...Psyches
 Don't Live On Bread
5. Community                                            198
 The Limits of the City...How Do Communities Start?...Net-
 works and Communities...Why Community Is a Revolution-
 ary Idea...Can Everybody Have Everything...Putting Down
 Roots...How Does One Struggle...On Practice...Past Steps
 in Search of Community...The Need for Continuity...The
 Need for Values...Was the U.S. Ever a Community?...Institu-
 tions Are the Death of Communities
6. Enlarging the Concept of the Family                          227
 Social Relationships Are Human Relationships...Economics
 Should Be a Branch of Wisdom...Freeing Our Minds...Not
 Class-Anglers...Human Needs Go Beyond Material Needs...
 The Family and Politics...Bringing Society into the Family...
 What Shall We Tell Our Children7
7. In Search of American Identity                              246
 Usable Past...What Do You Miss in Life...For Your Own
 Sake...Self-Concept...Complaining...It Starts With What "I"
 Miss...What Does It Mean To Caret...What Is Promiscuity7...
 Oppenheimer and the Bomb...Learning From the Past...The
 Spiritual Atom Bomb...What Is Self-Defense...Today"s Lion's
 Dens...History As Struggle..."Soul", ..Walking into the Lion's
 Den...Projections Not Rejections...One Small Step Forward

Postscript                                               291
Bibliography                                             297


  The drawings at the beginning of each year's discussion are
not intended as specific illustrations for this book, rather they are
independent expressions of the main ideas in the conversations:
humanity has reached a crisis in its development(l970); as human
beings we have the capacity to confront and work through this
critical period(l971); this will require a struggle to develop
ourselves(l972); and we must have a vision of the society we want
to create(1974).

                   John Willems

        Editors' Preface

  We were introduced to these Conversations shortly after
having read the book Revolution and Evolution in the Twentieth Century
by James and Grace Lee Boggs. That book for both of us had repre-
sented a leap forward. Suddenly a lot of old questions, like how to
apply Marx, Lenin and Mao to America, came into perspective.
Many new questions surfaced: What was the American revolu-
tion to be about! Who was the class or group that would make that
revolution! What were we and other Americans missing in our
lives! What was needed to transform ourselves and our country!
  The Conversations helped us to deepen our understanding of
the complex process we would have to go through in developing a
theory of revolution for America. When the opportunity arose to
have the Conversations made into a book, we agreed to edit it.
 Neither of us are "editors." Rather we are activists--veterans
of the anti-war and women's movements.
  In editing we have tried to retain the flavor of the Converss-
tions. Although the actual dialogue between participants has been
eliminated, the differences in style of speech are evident. We did
not try to tone down the statements made during these conversa-
tions. We feel that the boldness of the generalizations, drawn
from over 40 years spent in struggle as well as in thought, compel
US all to rethink our assumptions about revolutionary social
Change and our own lives.


 XX         Editor's Preface

   The Conversations began during a summer vacation in 1968.
 The first taped discussion in 1970 was only partially recorded and
 transcribed, and this made for a somewhat compressed section.
 The discussions in years following (except for 1973) were more
 fully recorded and transcribed. The book ends with the 1974
 conversations, although the conversations have been and still are
 in process.
  We had a hard time deciding how to handle the references
 made to "man" and "mankind" which are so central to the Conver-
 sations. It was obvious that the participants' awareness of sexism
 in language developed over the four years. We wanted the book to
 reflect that development. The language was therefore left as
 spoken until the latter part of the book; after their discussion of
 language and sexism in 1972, we edited to eliminate any
 remaining sexist references.
  Throughout the Conversations particular books, music,
 artists, and writers are mentioned. -The variety of sources used by
 the participants is a lesson in and of itself. They have not bypassed
 thinkers and observers because they are not socialists or revolu-
 tionaries. A list of the books referred to can be found at the end of
 this volume.
  Transforming the dittoed copies of the Conversations into
 this book took energy and hard work. We would like to thank the
 following people for their assistance: Andi Barchas, Ruth
 Gladstone, David Maki, Betty Thomas Mayen, Laura Siller, Pat
 Walker, John Willems, and Susan Zero.
  The Conversations in Maine are not a finished product; they
are not a blueprint for what we must do. For us they were a
beginning; they stimulated us to reflect and re-examine the
philosophy and positions we had developed. We hope they will
stimulate new thinking in everyone about the future of America
and the meaning of revolution, that they will be the impetus for
thousands of other conversations throughout the country,
conversations that will help us all do what we can to make our
country a more human place to live.

                  Marilyn Becker
                    Fred Miller
Detroit, Michigan
December, 1977

[C M Home] [1977 Postscript] [Introduction] [Editors Preface] [1970 Conversations] [1971 C M] [1972 C M] [1974 C M] [1974 C M - PG 2] [1992 C M] [1993 C M] [1998 C M] [2004- C M] [Bibliography]

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